{"id":43,"date":"2008-01-27T02:09:56","date_gmt":"2008-01-27T02:09:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/homeshowga.com\/blog2\/?p=43"},"modified":"2008-01-27T02:09:56","modified_gmt":"2008-01-27T02:09:56","slug":"43","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/realtycaffeine.com\/grace\/?p=43","title":{"rendered":"Curiosity and God"},"content":{"rendered":"<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Here is my response to the query from my friend. This was an email exchange and some of it might not flow as smoothly as my blog so please allow a little grace.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">*************************<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><font color=\"navy\" face=\"Comic Sans MS\" size=\"2\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'\">Offended? No.  I don\u2019t see any reason to be offended. He has assumed that the Theory of  Evolution is truth and that somehow God is using it but I have some basic  problems with that premise. If we are to accept what God says in his Word then  we have to accept it all. If I begin to pick and choose what I believe then  where is the foundation for my belief? I believe that God meant what he said in  Genesis when he says he created the universe is 6 days. I have no problem with  the distances involved or the fact that he could put light in motion and have it  appear to have traveled great distances or that dinosaurs existed before the  flood. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><font color=\"navy\" face=\"Comic Sans MS\" size=\"2\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'\">Evolution  requires survival of the fittest and that means death to get to the evolved man.  The bible says that death did not come into play until after man sinned and  tried to be god himself. No death, no evolution. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><font color=\"navy\" face=\"Comic Sans MS\" size=\"2\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'\">My belief is  that there are rational explanations to these questions regarding fossils,  apparent age and stratification using a great flood theory. The fact is that  there is NO evidence of evolution any more than there is evidence of creation  that we can test and prove today. Faith is required in either case. There is no  physical evidence of any cross species evolution. Micro-scale evolution, yes.  Flowers mutate based on environment. Butterflies, moths, fish, mammals and many  other species adapt to the environment but they do not change from reptiles into  birds, etc. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><font color=\"navy\" face=\"Comic Sans MS\" size=\"2\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'\">I think we  suffer under the idea that \u201cGod said it and I believe it without question\u201d and  many fundamentalists operate that way. Christians get a reputation based on the  behavior of those that we see in the news and we know that just may not be the  whole picture. Most of the country thinks about Christians as being against  homosexuality or abortion or smoking or drinking and the like but I want to be  known by what I am FOR, not what I am AGAINST.  <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><font color=\"navy\" face=\"Comic Sans MS\" size=\"2\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'\">I believe  that God made us curious for a reason. He wants us to learn about his creation  and to enjoy what he has made. That used to be the whole basis for science until  the last 100 years or so. The earth today is a mere shadow of what once was, in  the perfect creation he made. It now groans under the curse of sin just like we  do. It will be redeemed along with us in the end but for now it is all we have  physically and we are responsible to be good managers of it. I think that  includes learning all we can about His creation. <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><font color=\"navy\" face=\"Comic Sans MS\" size=\"2\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'\">There is a  bias in science today that tries to exclude God because he cannot not be  measured or felt or smelled, etc. but I like the analogy that your email brought  up.  I suspect the exclusion has more to do with submission to God if we have to  admit he exists than it does with the empirical evidence dispute.  My goal is to  be curious. To search with an open mind and try to interpret the data but I am  forced to do that with a bias of my own. The whole idea of science is to put  forth a theory and then to go about trying to prove or disprove it based on the  facts. Either bias can do that but we have to look at it honestly. If the data  does not fit our theory then we have to make a change to the theory or see if we  have interpreted the data correctly. It may be we have a limited amount of data  and the more we dig, the more we understand the reality.  <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><font color=\"navy\" face=\"Comic Sans MS\" size=\"2\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'\">There is a  story about a scientist who had a trained cockroach. He had trained it to jump  on command. In order to study the ability of the cockroach the scientist set up  a hurdle and got a tape measure, stop watch and a notebook. He placed the  cockroach in front of the hurdle and said \u201cJUMP\u201d. The cockroach jumped and the  scientist wrote into the notebook the height and distance the cockroach jumped  and how long it took. He then picked up the cockroach and pulled the back two  legs off it. Placing it in front of the hurdle again he commanded it to \u201cJUMP\u201d.  The cockroach did but it was not as high or as far and it took longer to do the  task. Again the scientist wrote all the information in the book and picked up  the cockroach, this time pulling the front legs off. Placing the cockroach again  in front of the hurdle he said \u201cJUMP\u201d and the cockroach did. It took much longer  to complete the task as it barely made the climb this time over the hurdle. The  scientist made notes again about the time and distance and finally he picked up  the cockroach again pulling the middle two legs off. He placed the cockroach  down in front of the hurdle and commanded it to \u201cJUMP\u201d. \u2026 Nothing happened.  Again he said \u201cJUMP\u201d and nothing happened. After 3 more attempts to get the  cockroach to obey he wrote in his book \u201cSubject refused to jump. I can only  conclude that pulling the middle two legs off a cockroach makes it  deaf.\u201d<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><font color=\"navy\" face=\"Comic Sans MS\" size=\"2\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'\">He had a bias  and judged the data accordingly. We all do that but if we are truly curious then  maybe we will try to see what the data actually says and adapt our theory to it  instead. Is God big enough to stand all this curiosity? Of that I have no doubt.  He not only can stand it, he relishes it. It is his desire to know us and to be  known by us. That is the whole reason he came in the form of a man just so we  could know him. In the time of Adam and Eve, God was over us. He came and walked  with them in the cool of the evening and sought to be their companion. They  violated his only rule and tried to take his place in their own lives but God  had a plan. While He was over us in that time he later became Emmanuel which  means God With Us. We as humans could touch and hear and smell, etc. God in the  flesh. Jesus himself claimed to be God. If you don\u2019t believe that to be true  then start reading John in the New Testament. He said over and over again that  he was GOD and it ticked off the religious leaders so bad they had him killed.  He allowed himself to be killed as a sacrifice to reconcile us to him and what  replaced him \u201cwith us\u201d was the Holy Spirit who is now God IN Us. He inhabits our  very being and while I don\u2019t fully understand it, I believe it is true because I  have experienced it. His Spirit is connected to my spirit and that is just more  than I deserve. It is by his grace that I am saved and I love  it.<o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><font color=\"navy\" face=\"Comic Sans MS\" size=\"2\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'\">I agree with  Don that the Universe is a wonderful and amazing place both theologically and  scientifically. I do not believe that we have to try and fit God into any box.  He won\u2019t fit. Is it possible that God is using a time span of billions of years?  I suppose it is but how does that fit with scripture? I believe that all of the  scripture is truth. I don\u2019t however believe that all the truth is in scripture.  I am sure there are things that we don\u2019t know or see yet but we will in time.  I  don\u2019t believe that it is an either \/ or situation here. I think it is a bias in  how we choose to interpret the data we have.  My challenge is to not be a  fundamentalist either way. Not in evolution or creation. Be curious instead and  seek to understand what God has to say about his creation and himself. I would  contend that he makes himself known to us in the very things we see, feel,  smell, taste and hear. To deny that is to be a fundamentalist.  <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><font color=\"navy\" face=\"Comic Sans MS\" size=\"2\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'\">If you want  to see a more organized, structured approach on a creation bias to the data then  go to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.icr.org\/\" title=\"blocked::http:\/\/www.icr.org\/\">www.icr.org<\/a> and do a little looking around. There  are lots of other resources but this is one that I find helpful.  <o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n<p><font color=\"navy\" face=\"Comic Sans MS\" size=\"2\"><span style=\"font-size: 10pt; color: navy; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'\"><o:p><\/o:p><\/span><\/font><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Here is my response to the query from my friend. This was an email exchange and some of it might not flow as smoothly as my blog so please allow a little grace. ************************* Offended? 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