Wimpy God??!!

I received this ‘reply’ to the last post via a friend. I am posting it here to be able to respond in a manner that is needed.

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Actually, there is NO disconnect between science and God.

In the case presented here, there is a gulf between atheism and God. But not science. It is not necessary to put aside our brain cells and resort to straw man arguments in order to defend our faith. An impressive God creates a universe that has been going for at least thirteen billion years. That is amazing to me both theologically and scientifically.

I don’t have to claim a six-thousand year old earth, or say science is wrong about the big bang, or dispute the previous existence of dinosaurs, ice ages, and evolution. I don’t have to turn my brain cells off because a great God can be behind everthing on that list.

But those who believe in a wimpy God who must adhere to their sense of time and universal development demean God by making Him small enough to fit their measly ability to understand this wonderul universe. And science. And then they have to pander to other small minds by sending their screeds via the internet. How sad.

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Jesus vs Science

I received this from a friend and I like the argument so I thought I would pass it along here.  

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Let me explain the problem science has with Jesus Christ.’ The atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks one of his new students to stand.

‘You’re a Christian, aren’t you, son?’

‘Yes sir,’ the student says.

‘So you believe in God?’

‘Absolutely.’

‘Is God good?’

‘Sure! God’s good.’

‘Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?’

‘Yes.’

‘Are you good or evil?’

‘The Bible says I’m evil.’

The professor grins knowingly. ‘Aha! The Bible!’ He considers for a moment.

‘Here’s one for you. Let’s say there’s a sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?’

‘Yes sir, I would.’

‘So you’re good…!’

‘I wouldn’t say that.’

‘But why not say that? You’d help a sick and maimed person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn’t.’

The student does not answer, so the professor continues. ‘He doesn’t, does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that one?’

The student remains silent.

‘No, you can’t, can you?’ the professor says. He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.

‘Let’s start again, young fella Is God good?’

‘Er…yes,’ the student says.

‘Is Satan good?’

The student doesn’t hesitate on this one. ‘No.’

‘Then where does Satan come from?’

The student : ‘From…God…’

‘That’s right. God made Satan, didn’t he? Tell me, son. Is there evil in this world?’

‘Yes, sir.’

‘Evil’s everywhere, isn’ t it? And God did make everything, correct?’

‘Yes.’

‘So who created evil?’ The professor continued, ‘If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil.’

Without allowing the student to answer, the professor continues: ‘Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this world?’

The student: ‘Yes.’

‘So who created them?’

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question. ‘Who created them? There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

‘Tell me,’ he continues onto another student. ‘Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?’

The student’s voice is confident: ‘Yes, professor, I do.’

The old man stops pacing. ‘Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?’

‘No sir. I’ve never seen Him’

‘Then tell us if you’ve ever heard your Jesus?’

‘No, sir, I have not.’

‘Have you ever actually felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?’

‘No, sir, I’m afraid I haven’t.’

‘Yet you still believe in him?’

‘Yes.’

‘According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son?’

‘Nothing,’ the student replies. ‘I only have my faith.’

‘Yes, faith,’ the professor repeats. ‘And that is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.’

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his own. ‘Professor, is there such thing as heat?’

‘Yes,’ the professor replies. ‘There’s heat.’

‘And is there such a thing as cold?’

‘Yes, son, there’s cold too.’

‘No sir, there isn’t.’

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

‘You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don’t have anything called ‘cold’. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458 degrees. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (- 458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.’

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

‘What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?’

‘Yes,’ the professor replies without hesitation. ‘What is night if it isn’t darkness?’

‘You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it’s called darkness, isn’t it? That’s the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, darkness isn’t. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you?’

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will be a good semester. ‘So what point are you making, young man?’

‘Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.’

The professor’s face cannot hide his surprise this time. ‘Flawed? Can you explain how?’

‘You are working on the premise of duality,’ the student explains. ‘You argue that there is life and then there’s death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.’

‘Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?’

‘If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do’

‘Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?’

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

‘Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavour, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?’

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion has subsided.

‘To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, let me give you an example of what I mean.’

The student looks around the room. ‘Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor’s brain?’ The class breaks out into laughter.

‘Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor’s brain, felt the professor’s brain, touched or smelled the professor’s brain? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no brain, with all due respect, sir. So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?’

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. ‘I guess you’ll have to take them on faith.’

‘Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with life,’ the student continues. ‘Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?’

Now uncertain, the professor responds, ‘Of course, there is. We see it everyday. It is in the daily example of man’s inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.’

To this the student replied, ‘Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God.

God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God’s love present in his heart. It’s like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light.’

The professor sat down.

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Well Done!!

Today was a wonderful experience. We got another chance to practice and another chance to get it right. We did both!! A big thanks to Jodi, Coleen, Margie, Ricki, Michael, Chris and Ron. You all did a great job.

We will be working to learn what we need to so this ministry does its job. Its job? Build community in our church. Meet a need and build community.

It’s a good life!!

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Training

We had our first chance to do some training tonight for the coffee ministry. About half our crew came and saw first hand the equipment, methods and locations of the carts. It is beginning to sink in that this is going to be a big deal. There will be lots of coffee served to lots of people.

People. That is the key word in this. People are the whole reason we do any of this. It is why we build new buildings. It is why we get to the service 2 hours before it starts. It is why we carry gallons of coffee to the carts so people can have something to hold and hide behind while they build relationships with each other.

I am humbled when I think of the chance I get to serve. God called each of us to serve and I pray we all serve well. I am pleased to be connnected to each of you that decided to come and learn tonight and those that will come tomorrow night. If you did not make it to training but come and serve anyway then I am pleased again. We all have busy schedules and it is hard sometimes to focus on the important when the urgent is SCREAMING in your face. You all are to be told “Well done!”. I am sure you will be when the time is here.

It’s a Good Life.

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Coffee in Heaven??

More from Randy Alcorn’s book on Heaven.

God created the Earth and everything in it and called it very good. That includes coffee, doesn’t it? We humans have the incredible ability to take something God made and to use it in ways that he would not bless but the reality is that if we are going to a New Earth and that it is going to be a perfect version of what we have now then doesn’t it stand to reason that he is going to provide many of the same things that he gave us the first time, only better? We will not want to use it in a way contrary to his will for us but I think we just might have coffee to enjoy in heaven. Is that going to be Starbucks? Blue Mountain or Kona? Any of those would be fine with me and I can think of lots of people I would love to share a cup with.

It’s a Good Life!!

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It’s not about coffee!!

Can you believe it?? We are DONE at the Edwards Center. No more services there!!! This is awesome! I want to remind you that even though we are going to be busy learning our jobs and getting ready for the opening services this whole event is not about coffee. It is not about learning to make it, carry it, stock the sugar and do all the “tasks” that we are going to be practicing. This is about souls. Eternal souls.

Every person you meet and deliver a cup of coffee to has an eternal soul. Most we meet will have already settled where their soul will spend eternity but many will have not. Look into their eyes and when God prompts you, tell them the truth. Tell them that God loves them and do it by your actions. St Francis said that “We should share the Gospel at all times and when necessary use words”. I agree that most of our message will be carried by our actions but when necessary, use words. Pray for people and let them know you care. This is a ministry of service and at times we will get overwhelmed with all we have to do. When you get to that point, stop. Stop and ask that God will give you someone to pray for while you are doing.

 It’s a Good Life!!

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What do you love to do? Would you love to do it in heaven?

More on the book I’m reading. It occurred to me today that in heaven I am going to get to ride motorcycles. I am going to get to travel where I want and enjoy God’s creation as it was intended to be. I am going to get to eat and fellowship with my friends and those that will become my friends and do all the the things I love to do here without the encumbrances of sin and trouble and all the things that make life hard.

Now, if you don’t agree with me about heaven (yet :)) that is ok because this is just a beginning for me to understand what the author is trying to tell us but my understanding is that we will be phyical bodies in a physical NEW EARTH that is joined to a NEW HEAVEN and God will be among us like he was with Adam and Eve in the original Earth. We will have access to the Tree of Life and will live forever.

That is the big picture and I am going to back up a bit and share some of the scriptures to back this up so stay tuned. I am excited about this because it finally makes sense to me. I am not going to be floating on a cloud with a harp and I am going to experience all that God has planned for me. How cool is that??

It’s a good life!!

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Heaven. What do you think it looks like?

I have been reading a great book. Randy Alcorn wrote a book simply called “Heaven”. He takes a look at scripture that points us toward a vision of heaven and what we can expect when we get there. We are getting there aren’t we? If you don’t know for sure you are going to heaven when this life is over the good news is that you can be sure. 1 John 5:13 says “I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God so that you may know that you have eternal life.”

So, if you don’t know for sure you are going to heaven then we need to talk. I want to make sure you know you are going because I am going to be telling you a little about where we are going. If you think it is clouds and harps you will be surprised. I also have to admit that I was afraid that it was going to be a really long church service and I glad to find out it will not be that either. We will be worshiping the One but He has plans for us and I am sure you will be surprised by some of them. Stay tuned.

It’s a Good Life!!

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Do you know the way to ….

Psalm 32:8 “I will guide you along the best pathway for your life.  I will advise you and watch over you.” There are days we just need some direction. I find that it is usually on Monday but the other days I need direction are Thursday, Friday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Saturday and Sunday. I know, it’s an old joke but it makes my point. I need direction everyday. So, if you need direction and God has the map who do you think you should ask? If you haven’t been asking him then you may not know what he sounds like but I would tell you to persist asking and then listen. I am sure at some point you will hear his leading. It may come through your other relationships, emails, blogs like this one and lots of other places. For me it seems like God sends me emails. They have always come through someone else but I am sure it is God using them to help me. Thats the way it works today. God uses his people to help each other. Now, that’s a miracle in itself.

It’s a Good Life!!

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Hiding out

Psalm 32:7 “For You are my hiding place; You protect me from trouble.  You surround me with songs of victory.” So, what are you afraid of? Do you need a hiding place? Remember when you were a kid and you made a tree house or fort or just took blankets and covered the dining room chairs and made a tent? Do you remember going to a special place to hide from the world when it just seemed to be too much to handle? I had a huge tree in the middle of a 40 acre field and the branches came down almost to the ground. It was a cool place to shelter in the hot summers and it offered a place to hide and contemplate important things.

God wants to be your hiding place. He is the comforter, the counselor, the protector that we are seeking. Come along with me on this journey as I seek God and share what he is offering to me. Add your own comments if you like.

It’s a Good Life!!

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